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Gender:
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Birth:
circa 872
Évreux, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France
Death:
August 11, 930 (53-62)
Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
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Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Rouen Rouen, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France MEMORIAL ID 30256985
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Daughter of Berenger, count of Bayeux
Wife of Gange-Hrólfr 'Rollo' Ragnvaldsson
Mother of William "Longsword" and Adèle of Normandy
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Poppa de Valois de Bayeux, married to Rollo de Normandie.
Poppa was not a duchess, countess or princess, and her husband Rollo was not a duke but was referred to as "comes", a count.
It is not clear which of Berengar's wives was her mother.
NOTE: Keats-Rohan suggests that "the origin of Rollo's wife Poppa should be sought among the German Popponides, and that, specifically, that we see her as granddaughter of Henry of Thuringia, marquis of Neustria at his death in 878 and ancestor, through his daughter, of the Ottonians." [KSB Keat-Rohan, "Poppa 'of Bayeux' and her family," The American Genealogist 72 (1997), pp. 187-204]
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Gange-Hrolf married: m [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[31]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[32]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[33], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[34]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[35]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[36]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[37], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[38], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[39]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm
BERENGER (-[886 or after]). Comte de Bayeux. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[770]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[771], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. m [as her first husband] --- [du Vexin], daughter of PEPIN [Carolingian] & his wife ---. Berengar & his wife had one child:
a) POPPA . According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[772]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[773], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[774]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[775]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[776], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[777], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[778]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
m (886 or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) as his second wife, ROLLO, later known as ROBERT I Comte [de Normandie], son of [RAGNVALD "the Wise" Jarl of Möre in Norway & his wife Ragnhild] ([846]-[928]).
Poppa de Bayeux est la « frilla » (épouse à la manière danoise) du jarl des Normands Rollon et la mère du duc de Normandie Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ses origines restent obscures. Les historiens retiennent deux hypothèses :
* Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[1], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». * Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. Il faut en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
* Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153 * Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) . * Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy.
Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo. Rollo married 2nd Gisela, daughter of King Charles the Simple, but did not have issue by her. On her death he took back Poppie and they were married by the Christian ceremony. Rollo died about 931. (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 278)
Little is known about his early years. He was born in Bayeux or Rouen to Rollo and his wife Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy.
Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy. According to the William's planctus, he was baptised a Christian.
Another site gives Poppas name as - Poppa De VALOIS
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~goehring/fam1380.html source : Christian Settipani, La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987, 1993 (Source Media Type: Book ABBR La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987 NS380393)
He married Poppa DE VALOIS 891. He died 931 in Notre Dame,Rouen,France. Poppa DE VALOIS, daughter of Berenger DE BAYEUX , was born 872 in Evreux,Normandy,France.
This is interesting since I much closer relative, Vallas/Vallois LaDue has a name very close to this family name.
Familj med Robert 'Gånge-Rolf' Ragvaldsson av Normandie (870 - 932) Vigsel: 886 1)
Barn: Adele av Normandie (917 - 962) Vilhelm I 'långsvärd' av Normandie (- 942)
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1) Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, Hull, England
It is thought that Poppa, daughter of the Béranger, Count of Bayeux, was captured in a Viking raid on Bayeux and taken by Rollo as his wife.
Poppa, Duchess of Normandy, was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy.
Poppa was Rollo's first wife. They had 5 childern. Rolla than repudiated Poppa and married Gisela in 912. they had 1 daughter. After Gisela died in 919 he remarried Poppa.
From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#GuillaumeIdied942
[m] [firstly] ---. The identity of Rollo´s first wife or concubine is not known. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Ancestry of Poppa wife of Rolf the Ganger
The ancestry of Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, seems to have two versions. It now appears that Poppa was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and not a daughter of Count Berenger of Bayeux. This makes Poppa, through her mother, a great granddaughter of King Bernard of Italy (b. 797, d. 818; King of Italy 813 - 817) King Bernard was a grandson of Charlemagne.
However, a very accessible and highly respected source, Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots, Baltimore, 1999, Line 121E - 19 states:
GANGER ROLF, "The Viking" (or ROLLO), banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 867, 890 participated in Viking attack on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his dau. Poppa captured and taken, 886, by Rollo (now called Count of Rouen) as his "Danish" wife. Under Treaty of St. Claire, 911, rec'd the Duchy of Normandy . . ..
For Line 121E, Weis gives as his source "Moriarty, The Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 10-11, 13." This refers to the 300 page manuscript of George Andrews Moriarty: The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa. Professor Moriarty (1883 - 1968) never felt that his work was "finished" and he never published his manuscript which was donated to New England Historical Genealogical Society in Boston. The manuscript was photocopied and printed by the Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, Salt Lake City, Utah, in 1985.
Here is the part of page 11 of Professor Moriarty's manuscript from where Dr. Weis apparently drew his information:
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Please recall that Professor Moriarty felt that his work was never "finished"; and observe that he has a note to "See p. 226" under the details of Poppa.
Here the part of page 226 to which Professor Moriarty was referring:
Under the above passage, Professor Moriarty gave the following outline:
I have attempted to copy Professor Moriarty's manuscript as best I could: Poppa, Wife of Ganger Rolf
According to Dudon, William Longue Épeé of Normandy had as his 'avunculus' (maternal uncle) Count Bernard of Senlis, the friend and consellor of Hugh the Great. The Chronicon Rothomagense (Labbe Bibliotheca Manuscriptorum Nova, I, p. 365) ano 912 confirms this and stated that Rolf married the daughter of Count Gui de Senlis, so if Bernard were the son of Gui, he would be the 'avunculus" of William. Dudon, however calls Poppa the daughter of Count Berenger, but Dudon is not highly trustworthy. The name Bernard belongs in the family of the Counts of Vermandois, descended from Bernard, King of Italy. A Count Bernard, probably Bernard de Senlis is called be Flodoard (Annales ano 923, p. 15) the 'consobrinus' (cousin germain by the female side) of Herbert II Count of Vermandois.
The Belgian érudit, J. Dhondt, in his "Études sur la Naissance de Principautés Territoriales au France pp. 119/120 n.) (Bruges 1948), suggests that Gui Count of Senlis married a sister of Herbert I Count of Vermandois (see p. 6 anti) and had issue Bernard Count of Senlis and probably Poppa, wife of Rolf.
Finally, Professor Moriarty's outline or summary would be as follows: Pepin de Peronne, son of Bernard, King of Italy Died after 846 His children included: Herbert I Count of Vermandois, died between 900 and 904. His son: Herbert II Count of Vermandois, died in 943 a daughter who married Gui, Count of Senlis. Their children: Bernard Count of Senlis, adherent of Hugh the Great Poppa who married Rolf, Count of Rouen
Hence, the best evidence to date seems to indicate that Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and a great X3 granddaughter of Charlemagne
Ben notes: There seems to be too much uncertainty about the family of Poppa to commit either way to a theory of her origin. About all that I can really feel certain about is that she was taken by Rollo in the sacking of Bayeux, and that she was an important captive (thus the idea that she was either the daughter of Berenger II de Neustria, or Guy of Senlis).
From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Normandy: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#Gerlocdiedafter969
Rollo married [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[32]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[33]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[34], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume.
The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[35]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[36]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[37].
Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[38], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[39], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[40]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
Robert & his [second] wife had two children:
1. GUILLAUME (Rouen [900/05]-murdered Pequigny 17 Dec 942, bur ---, transferred [1064] to Rouen Cathedral[48], succeeded Rollo as Guillaume I, Longespee or Longsword as Comte de Normandie, married firstly Sprota from Bretagne - possibly just a concubine, who later marries Esperleng de Pitres; secondly Luitgardis de Vermandois). 2. Gerloc (d. after 969, married Guillaume I, Tete d'Etoupe, Comte de Poitou and Duke of Aquitaine, OUR ANCESTOR).
From the French Wikipedia page on Poppa de Bayeux: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppa_de_Bayeux
Poppa de Bayeux est la « frilla » (épouse More danico")[1] du jarl des Normands Rollon et la mère du duc de Normandie Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ses origines restent obscures. Les historiens retiennent deux hypothèses :
1. Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[2], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». 2. Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. On pourrait en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153
Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) .
Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
Notes
1.↑ Le mariage "more danico" ("à la danoise") ou "danesche manere" en normand, désigne le mode de polygynie pratiqué par les Vikings implantés en Normandie après le traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. 2.↑ appelé plus tard Rollon, duc de Normandie
In English:
Poppa de Bayeux was the Danish-styled wife of Jarl of the Normans Rollo, and the mother of Duke of Normandy William Longsword. Her origins are obscure.
Historians have two hypotheses on where she came from:
1. According to Dudo of St-Quentin, she would be the daughter of the Comte de Bayeux Berenger. When the city of Bayeux was besieged by the Viking leader Hrolfr the Walker, Hrolfr kills her father at the storming of the city (885/889). Rollon takes young Poppa and makes her his "frills" (Danish-styled wife). 2. According to the Annals Jumieges, Poppa was the daughter of Gui, Comte de Senlis, and sister of Bernard.
In both cases, the ancestry of Poppa would be prestigious: Beranger was one of two people charged with defending Neustria against the Normans, and Guy of Senlis was married to Evrard of Friuli.
Another hypothesis, less prestigious but at least as credible, was suggested by historian and specialist Jean Renaud that she was a concubine of Hrolfr, taken as a shepherdess from the Hebrides.
This union had at least two children: a daughter named Gerloc (baptized under the name "Adele", OUR ANCESTOR), and William Longsword. William was born overseas while his father Rollo was still a pagan. This suggests that his birth preceded the Treaty of St-Clair-sur-Epte in 911, the date of conversion and final installation of Rollo in Normandy.
Historian Pierre Bauduiin believes that Poppa's marriage to the Norman chieftain attests to an early link between her and the Frankish aristocracy, and sheds light on the agreement of 911; King Charles the Simple was simply dealing with a character already partly integrated into the Carolingian kingdom.
A statue of Poppa sits atop a fountain erected in the Place de Gaulle in Bayeux.
Notes:
1. Marriage "more danico" (Danish-styled) or "danesche manere" in Norman means the way of polygyny practiced by the Vikings that established Normandy after the Treaty of St-Clair-sur-Epte.
Poppa* DE VALOIS (Duchess of Normandy) ABT 0872 - ____
* TITLE: Duchess of Normandy * BIRTH: ABT 0872, Evreux,Nuestria,France
Father: Berenger* DE BAYEUX Mother: Unknown* DE RENNES
Family 1 : Rolf* RAGNVALDSSON
* MARRIAGE: ABT 0886
1. Crespina of NORMANDY 2. Kathlin of NORMANDY 3. +Geirlaug* DE NORMANDY 4. Robert, Count of CORBEIL 5. +William I* 6. Adele of NORMANDY 7. +Mainfred DE PERCY
There seem to be various opinions as to which Poppa should occuy this place. Poppa de Bayeux, etc.
"Poppa" She was associated with Rollo, comte de Rouen, as his "Danish wife," a prisoner he'd taken in battle.
She was a Christian.
See "My Lines" ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p45.htm#i5203 ) from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
Note: Page: 121e-18
General Notes
~Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th Edition, 121E:18, 1st Count of Normandy, banished from Normandy to the Hebrides. Took part in the Viking attck on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his daughter Poppa captured and taken in 886, by Rollo as his "Danish" wife.
Information about this person:
• Dates & Events: Wife or mistress of Rollo "of Normandy", 10th century. A wife or mistress of Rollo of Normandy, and mother of Rollo's son and successor William "Longsword", her name is reported only by the often unreliable Dudo [ii, 16 (pp. 38-9); iii, 36 (p. 57)] and by sources depending on him (hence the quotes around her name). The only certain fact that is known about her comes from the contemporary (or nearly so) Planctus of her son William, which states (without naming her) that she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas.
~Stewart Baldwin
"Poppa" married Hrolf "Ganger" Rognvaldsson Princeps Nortmannorum, son of Ragnivald "the Wise" Eysteinsson Jarl of More and Ranghilda Hrólfsson.167 (Hrolf "Ganger" Rognvaldsson Princeps Nortmannorum was born in 846-870 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway, baptized in 912, died in 929 in Normandy 160 and was buried in 929 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Normandy, France 160.)
She was captured & taken by Rollo the Ganger Ragnvaldsson during Viking attack. Rollo named her his "Danish" wife
POPPA DUCHESS OF NORWAY DE VALOIS. She was born 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France.
Barn:
William "Long-eper" av Normandie (- 942)
Adele av Normandie
Poppa was Hrolf's "Rollo's" 1st wife or second concubine. Rollo 'left' Poppa to marry King Charles illegitimate daughter Giselle, but returned to her after Giselle died. His marriage to Giselle was without issue.
Rollo possibly had about fourteen children but the four known to us today were probably Poppa’s.
"Papie", "Poppa of Bayeux", "Poppe de Rennes", "Poppa de Valois", "Papia"Duchesse de Normandie, Hertiginna av Normandie, Papia de Valois, Duchess of Normandy.
All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy.
In her marriage to Rollo, she had the following children:
Gunnora b.? – d.1031
Herfastus b.900
Wavia b.903
Werina b.904
Duvelina b.905
Sainfria b.906
She was captured & taken by Rollo the Ganger Ragnvaldsson during a Viking attack. Rollo named her his "Danish" wife. Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppa_of_Bayeux
Poppa of Bayeux was the mistress or wife[1] (perhaps by more danico)[2] of Norman conqueror Rollo. She was the mother of William I, Duke of Normandy, and Gerloc. Chronicler Dudo of Saint-Quentin relates that she was the daughter of a count named Berenger, captured at Bayeux by Rollo in 885 or 889. This has led to speculation that she was the daughter of Berengar II of Neustria. A statue of Poppa stands at Place de Gaulle in Bayeux.
Poppa de Valois de Bayeux, married to Rollo de Normandie.
Poppa was not a duchess, countess or princess, and her husband Rollo was not a duke but was referred to as "comes", a count.
It is not clear which of Berengar's wives was her mother.
Medieval Lands
FMG.ac Gange-Hrolf married: m [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[31]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[32]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[33], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[34]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[35]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[36]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[37], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[38], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[39]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm
BERENGER (-[886 or after]). Comte de Bayeux. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[770]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[771], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. m [as her first husband] --- [du Vexin], daughter of PEPIN [Carolingian] & his wife ---. Berengar & his wife had one child:
a) POPPA . According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[772]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[773], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[774]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[775]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[776], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[777], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[778]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
m (886 or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) as his second wife, ROLLO, later known as ROBERT I Comte [de Normandie], son of [RAGNVALD "the Wise" Jarl of Möre in Norway & his wife Ragnhild] ([846]-[928]). -------------------- Poppa de Bayeux est la « frilla » (épouse à la manière danoise) du jarl des Normands Rollon et la mère du duc de Normandie Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ses origines restent obscures. Les historiens retiennent deux hypothèses :
Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[1], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». * Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. Il faut en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153 * Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) . * Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy.
Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo. Rollo married 2nd Gisela, daughter of King Charles the Simple, but did not have issue by her. On her death he took back Poppie and they were married by the Christian ceremony. Rollo died about 931. (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 278) ----------------------- Daughter of Berenger of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually becomes Western Normandy http://www.jbdaedal.com/shannon/4/1483.htm http://fabpedigree.com/s039/f070063.htm ------------------------
Little is known about his early years. He was born in Bayeux or Rouen to Rollo and his wife Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy. -------------------- Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy. According to the William's planctus, he was baptised a Christian. -------------------- Another site gives Poppas name as - Poppa De VALOIS
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~goehring/fam1380.html source : Christian Settipani, La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987, 1993 (Source Media Type: Book ABBR La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987 NS380393)
He married Poppa DE VALOIS 891. He died 931 in Notre Dame,Rouen,France. Poppa DE VALOIS, daughter of Berenger DE BAYEUX , was born 872 in Evreux,Normandy,France.
This is interesting since I much closer relative, Vallas/Vallois LaDue has a name very close to this family name. -------------------- Familj med Robert 'Gånge-Rolf' Ragvaldsson av Normandie (870 - 932) Vigsel: 886 1)
Barn: Adele av Normandie (917 - 962) Vilhelm I 'långsvärd' av Normandie (- 942)
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1) Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, Hull, England
It is thought that Poppa, daughter of the Béranger, Count of Bayeux, was captured in a Viking raid on Bayeux and taken by Rollo as his wife. -------------------- Poppa, Duchess of Normandy, was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy. -------------------- Poppa was Rollo's first wife. They had 5 childern. Rolla than repudiated Poppa and married Gisela in 912. they had 1 daughter. After Gisela died in 919 he remarried Poppa. -------------------- From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#GuillaumeIdied942
[m] [firstly] ---. The identity of Rollo´s first wife or concubine is not known. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Ancestry of Poppa wife of Rolf the Ganger
The ancestry of Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, seems to have two versions. It now appears that Poppa was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and not a daughter of Count Berenger of Bayeux. This makes Poppa, through her mother, a great granddaughter of King Bernard of Italy (b. 797, d. 818; King of Italy 813 - 817) King Bernard was a grandson of Charlemagne. However, a very accessible and highly respected source, Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots, Baltimore, 1999, Line 121E - 19 states: GANGER ROLF, "The Viking" (or ROLLO), banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 867, 890 participated in Viking attack on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his dau. Poppa captured and taken, 886, by Rollo (now called Count of Rouen) as his "Danish" wife. Under Treaty of St. Claire, 911, rec'd the Duchy of Normandy . . ..
For Line 121E, Weis gives as his source "Moriarty, The Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 10-11, 13." This refers to the 300 page manuscript of George Andrews Moriarty: The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa. Professor Moriarty (1883 - 1968) never felt that his work was "finished" and he never published his manuscript which was donated to New England Historical Genealogical Society in Boston. The manuscript was photocopied and printed by the Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, Salt Lake City, Utah, in 1985. Here is the part of page 11 of Professor Moriarty's manuscript from where Dr. Weis apparently drew his information:
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Please recall that Professor Moriarty felt that his work was never "finished"; and observe that he has a note to "See p. 226" under the details of Poppa. Here the part of page 226 to which Professor Moriarty was referring:
Under the above passage, Professor Moriarty gave the following outline:
I have attempted to copy Professor Moriarty's manuscript as best I could: Poppa, Wife of Ganger Rolf
According to Dudon, William Longue Épeé of Normandy had as his 'avunculus' (maternal uncle) Count Bernard of Senlis, the friend and consellor of Hugh the Great. The Chronicon Rothomagense (Labbe Bibliotheca Manuscriptorum Nova, I, p. 365) ano 912 confirms this and stated that Rolf married the daughter of Count Gui de Senlis, so if Bernard were the son of Gui, he would be the 'avunculus" of William. Dudon, however calls Poppa the daughter of Count Berenger, but Dudon is not highly trustworthy. The name Bernard belongs in the family of the Counts of Vermandois, descended from Bernard, King of Italy. A Count Bernard, probably Bernard de Senlis is called be Flodoard (Annales ano 923, p. 15) the 'consobrinus' (cousin germain by the female side) of Herbert II Count of Vermandois. The Belgian érudit, J. Dhondt, in his "Études sur la Naissance de Principautés Territoriales au France pp. 119/120 n.) (Bruges 1948), suggests that Gui Count of Senlis married a sister of Herbert I Count of Vermandois (see p. 6 anti) and had issue Bernard Count of Senlis and probably Poppa, wife of Rolf. Finally, Professor Moriarty's outline or summary would be as follows: Pepin de Peronne, son of Bernard, King of Italy Died after 846 His children included: Herbert I Count of Vermandois, died between 900 and 904. His son: Herbert II Count of Vermandois, died in 943 a daughter who married Gui, Count of Senlis. Their children: Bernard Count of Senlis, adherent of Hugh the Great Poppa who married Rolf, Count of Rouen
Hence, the best evidence to date seems to indicate that Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and a great X3 granddaughter of Charlemagne
Ben notes: There seems to be too much uncertainty about the family of Poppa to commit either way to a theory of her origin. About all that I can really feel certain about is that she was taken by Rollo in the sacking of Bayeux, and that she was an important captive (thus the idea that she was either the daughter of Berenger II de Neustria, or Guy of Senlis).
From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Normandy: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#Gerlocdiedafter969
Rollo married [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[32]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[33]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[34], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume.
The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[35]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[36]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[37].
Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[38], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[39], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[40]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
Robert & his [second] wife had two children:
1. GUILLAUME (Rouen [900/05]-murdered Pequigny 17 Dec 942, bur ---, transferred [1064] to Rouen Cathedral[48], succeeded Rollo as Guillaume I, Longespee or Longsword as Comte de Normandie, married firstly Sprota from Bretagne - possibly just a concubine, who later marries Esperleng de Pitres; secondly Luitgardis de Vermandois). 2. Gerloc (d. after 969, married Guillaume I, Tete d'Etoupe, Comte de Poitou and Duke of Aquitaine, OUR ANCESTOR).
From the French Wikipedia page on Poppa de Bayeux: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppa_de_Bayeux
Poppa de Bayeux est la « frilla » (épouse More danico")[1] du jarl des Normands Rollon et la mère du duc de Normandie Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ses origines restent obscures. Les historiens retiennent deux hypothèses :
1. Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[2], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». 2. Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. On pourrait en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153
Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) .
Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
Notes
1.↑ Le mariage "more danico" ("à la danoise") ou "danesche manere" en normand, désigne le mode de polygynie pratiqué par les Vikings implantés en Normandie après le traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. 2.↑ appelé plus tard Rollon, duc de Normandie
In English:
Poppa de Bayeux was the Danish-styled wife of Jarl of the Normans Rollo, and the mother of Duke of Normandy William Longsword. Her origins are obscure.
Historians have two hypotheses on where she came from:
1. According to Dudo of St-Quentin, she would be the daughter of the Comte de Bayeux Berenger. When the city of Bayeux was besieged by the Viking leader Hrolfr the Walker, Hrolfr kills her father at the storming of the city (885/889). Rollon takes young Poppa and makes her his "frills" (Danish-styled wife). 2. According to the Annals Jumieges, Poppa was the daughter of Gui, Comte de Senlis, and sister of Bernard.
In both cases, the ancestry of Poppa would be prestigious: Beranger was one of two people charged with defending Neustria against the Normans, and Guy of Senlis was married to Evrard of Friuli.
Another hypothesis, less prestigious but at least as credible, was suggested by historian and specialist Jean Renaud that she was a concubine of Hrolfr, taken as a shepherdess from the Hebrides.
This union had at least two children: a daughter named Gerloc (baptized under the name "Adele", OUR ANCESTOR), and William Longsword. William was born overseas while his father Rollo was still a pagan. This suggests that his birth preceded the Treaty of St-Clair-sur-Epte in 911, the date of conversion and final installation of Rollo in Normandy.
Historian Pierre Bauduiin believes that Poppa's marriage to the Norman chieftain attests to an early link between her and the Frankish aristocracy, and sheds light on the agreement of 911; King Charles the Simple was simply dealing with a character already partly integrated into the Carolingian kingdom.
A statue of Poppa sits atop a fountain erected in the Place de Gaulle in Bayeux.
Notes:
1. Marriage "more danico" (Danish-styled) or "danesche manere" in Norman means the way of polygyny practiced by the Vikings that established Normandy after the Treaty of St-Clair-sur-Epte. -------------------- Poppa* DE VALOIS (Duchess of Normandy) ABT 0872 - ____
TITLE: Duchess of Normandy * BIRTH: ABT 0872, Evreux,Nuestria,France
Father: Berenger* DE BAYEUX Mother: Unknown* DE RENNES
Family 1 : Rolf* RAGNVALDSSON
MARRIAGE: ABT 0886
1. Crespina of NORMANDY 2. Kathlin of NORMANDY 3. +Geirlaug* DE NORMANDY 4. Robert, Count of CORBEIL 5. +William I* 6. Adele of NORMANDY 7. +Mainfred DE PERCY
There seem to be various opinions as to which Poppa should occuy this place. Poppa de Bayeux, etc. -------------------- "Poppa" She was associated with Rollo, comte de Rouen, as his "Danish wife," a prisoner he'd taken in battle.
She was a Christian.
See "My Lines" ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p45.htm#i5203 ) from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
Note: Page: 121e-18
General Notes
~Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th Edition, 121E:18, 1st Count of Normandy, banished from Normandy to the Hebrides. Took part in the Viking attck on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his daughter Poppa captured and taken in 886, by Rollo as his "Danish" wife.
Information about this person:
• Dates & Events: Wife or mistress of Rollo "of Normandy", 10th century. A wife or mistress of Rollo of Normandy, and mother of Rollo's son and successor William "Longsword", her name is reported only by the often unreliable Dudo [ii, 16 (pp. 38-9); iii, 36 (p. 57)] and by sources depending on him (hence the quotes around her name). The only certain fact that is known about her comes from the contemporary (or nearly so) Planctus of her son William, which states (without naming her) that she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas.
~Stewart Baldwin
"Poppa" married Hrolf "Ganger" Rognvaldsson Princeps Nortmannorum, son of Ragnivald "the Wise" Eysteinsson Jarl of More and Ranghilda Hrólfsson.167 (Hrolf "Ganger" Rognvaldsson Princeps Nortmannorum was born in 846-870 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway, baptized in 912, died in 929 in Normandy 160 and was buried in 929 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Normandy, France 160.) -------------------- She was captured & taken by Rollo the Ganger Ragnvaldsson during Viking attack. Rollo named her his "Danish" wife -------------------- POPPA DUCHESS OF NORWAY DE VALOIS. She was born 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France. -------------------- Barn:
William "Long-eper" av Normandie (- 942)
Adele av Normandie
Poppa was Hrolf's "Rollo's" 1st wife or second concubine. Rollo 'left' Poppa to marry King Charles illegitimate daughter Giselle, but returned to her after Giselle died. His marriage to Giselle was without issue.
Rollo possibly had about fourteen children but the four known to us today were probably Poppa’s.
"Papie", "Poppa of Bayeux", "Poppe de Rennes", "Poppa de Valois", "Papia"Duchesse de Normandie, Hertiginna av Normandie, Papia de Valois, Duchess of Normandy.
All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy. -------------------- In her marriage to Rollo, she had the following children:
Gunnora b.? – d.1031
Herfastus b.900
Wavia b.903
Werina b.904
Duvelina b.905
Sainfria b.906 -------------------- She was captured & taken by Rollo the Ganger Ragnvaldsson during a Viking attack. Rollo named her his "Danish" wife. Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo. -------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppa_of_Bayeux -------------------- Poppa of Bayeux was the mistress or wife[1] (perhaps by more danico)[2] of Norman conqueror Rollo. She was the mother of William I, Duke of Normandy, and Gerloc. Chronicler Dudo of Saint-Quentin relates that she was the daughter of a count named Berenger, captured at Bayeux by Rollo in 885 or 889. This has led to speculation that she was the daughter of Berengar II of Neustria. A statue of Poppa stands at Place de Gaulle in Bayeux.
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Poppa de Valois de Bayeux, married to Rollo de Normandie.
Poppa was not a duchess, countess or princess, and her husband Rollo was not a duke but was referred to as "comes", a count.
It is not clear which of Berengar's wives was her mother.
NOTE: Keats-Rohan suggests that "the origin of Rollo's wife Poppa should be sought among the German Popponides, and that, specifically, that we see her as granddaughter of Henry of Thuringia, marquis of Neustria at his death in 878 and ancestor, through his daughter, of the Ottonians." [KSB Keat-Rohan, "Poppa 'of Bayeux' and her family," The American Genealogist 72 (1997), pp. 187-204]
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Gange-Hrolf married: m [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[31]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[32]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[33], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[34]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[35]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[36]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[37], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[38], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[39]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm
BERENGER (-[886 or after]). Comte de Bayeux. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[770]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[771], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. m [as her first husband] --- [du Vexin], daughter of PEPIN [Carolingian] & his wife ---. Berengar & his wife had one child:
a) POPPA . According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[772]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[773], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[774]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[775]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[776], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[777], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[778]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
m (886 or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) as his second wife, ROLLO, later known as ROBERT I Comte [de Normandie], son of [RAGNVALD "the Wise" Jarl of Möre in Norway & his wife Ragnhild] ([846]-[928]).
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Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[1], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». * Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. Il faut en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153 * Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) . * Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
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All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy.
Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo. Rollo married 2nd Gisela, daughter of King Charles the Simple, but did not have issue by her. On her death he took back Poppie and they were married by the Christian ceremony. Rollo died about 931. (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 278)
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Daughter of Berenger of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually becomes Western Normandy http://www.jbdaedal.com/shannon/4/1483.htm http://fabpedigree.com/s039/f070063.htm
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Little is known about his early years. He was born in Bayeux or Rouen to Rollo and his wife Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy.
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Another site gives Poppas name as - Poppa De VALOIS
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~goehring/fam1380.html source : Christian Settipani, La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987, 1993 (Source Media Type: Book ABBR La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987 NS380393)
He married Poppa DE VALOIS 891. He died 931 in Notre Dame,Rouen,France. Poppa DE VALOIS, daughter of Berenger DE BAYEUX , was born 872 in Evreux,Normandy,France.
This is interesting since I much closer relative, Vallas/Vallois LaDue has a name very close to this family name.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Familj med Robert 'Gånge-Rolf' Ragvaldsson av Normandie (870 - 932) Vigsel: 886 1)
Barn: Adele av Normandie (917 - 962) Vilhelm I 'långsvärd' av Normandie (- 942)
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1) Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, Hull, England
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It is thought that Poppa, daughter of the Béranger, Count of Bayeux, was captured in a Viking raid on Bayeux and taken by Rollo as his wife.
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Poppa, Duchess of Normandy, was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy.
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Poppa was Rollo's first wife. They had 5 childern. Rolla than repudiated Poppa and married Gisela in 912. they had 1 daughter. After Gisela died in 919 he remarried Poppa.
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From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#GuillaumeIdied942
[m] [firstly] ---. The identity of Rollo´s first wife or concubine is not known. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Ancestry of Poppa wife of Rolf the Ganger
The ancestry of Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, seems to have two versions. It now appears that Poppa was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and not a daughter of Count Berenger of Bayeux. This makes Poppa, through her mother, a great granddaughter of King Bernard of Italy (b. 797, d. 818; King of Italy 813 - 817) King Bernard was a grandson of Charlemagne.
However, a very accessible and highly respected source, Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots, Baltimore, 1999, Line 121E - 19 states:
GANGER ROLF, "The Viking" (or ROLLO), banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 867, 890 participated in Viking attack on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his dau. Poppa captured and taken, 886, by Rollo (now called Count of Rouen) as his "Danish" wife. Under Treaty of St. Claire, 911, rec'd the Duchy of Normandy . . ..
For Line 121E, Weis gives as his source "Moriarty, The Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 10-11, 13." This refers to the 300 page manuscript of George Andrews Moriarty: The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa. Professor Moriarty (1883 - 1968) never felt that his work was "finished" and he never published his manuscript which was donated to New England Historical Genealogical Society in Boston. The manuscript was photocopied and printed by the Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, Salt Lake City, Utah, in 1985.
Here is the part of page 11 of Professor Moriarty's manuscript from where Dr. Weis apparently drew his information:
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Please recall that Professor Moriarty felt that his work was never "finished"; and observe that he has a note to "See p. 226" under the details of Poppa.
Here the part of page 226 to which Professor Moriarty was referring:
Under the above passage, Professor Moriarty gave the following outline:
I have attempted to copy Professor Moriarty's manuscript as best I could: Poppa, Wife of Ganger Rolf
According to Dudon, William Longue Épeé of Normandy had as his 'avunculus' (maternal uncle) Count Bernard of Senlis, the friend and consellor of Hugh the Great. The Chronicon Rothomagense (Labbe Bibliotheca Manuscriptorum Nova, I, p. 365) ano 912 confirms this and stated that Rolf married the daughter of Count Gui de Senlis, so if Bernard were the son of Gui, he would be the 'avunculus" of William. Dudon, however calls Poppa the daughter of Count Berenger, but Dudon is not highly trustworthy. The name Bernard belongs in the family of the Counts of Vermandois, descended from Bernard, King of Italy. A Count Bernard, probably Bernard de Senlis is called be Flodoard (Annales ano 923, p. 15) the 'consobrinus' (cousin germain by the female side) of Herbert II Count of Vermandois.
The Belgian érudit, J. Dhondt, in his "Études sur la Naissance de Principautés Territoriales au France pp. 119/120 n.) (Bruges 1948), suggests that Gui Count of Senlis married a sister of Herbert I Count of Vermandois (see p. 6 anti) and had issue Bernard Count of Senlis and probably Poppa, wife of Rolf.
Finally, Professor Moriarty's outline or summary would be as follows: Pepin de Peronne, son of Bernard, King of Italy Died after 846 His children included: Herbert I Count of Vermandois, died between 900 and 904. His son: Herbert II Count of Vermandois, died in 943 a daughter who married Gui, Count of Senlis. Their children: Bernard Count of Senlis, adherent of Hugh the Great Poppa who married Rolf, Count of Rouen
Hence, the best evidence to date seems to indicate that Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and a great X3 granddaughter of Charlemagne
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Ben notes: There seems to be too much uncertainty about the family of Poppa to commit either way to a theory of her origin. About all that I can really feel certain about is that she was taken by Rollo in the sacking of Bayeux, and that she was an important captive (thus the idea that she was either the daughter of Berenger II de Neustria, or Guy of Senlis).
From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Normandy: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#Gerlocdiedafter969
Rollo married [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[32]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[33]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[34], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume.
The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[35]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[36]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[37].
Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[38], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[39], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[40]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
Robert & his [second] wife had two children:
1. GUILLAUME (Rouen [900/05]-murdered Pequigny 17 Dec 942, bur ---, transferred [1064] to Rouen Cathedral[48], succeeded Rollo as Guillaume I, Longespee or Longsword as Comte de Normandie, married firstly Sprota from Bretagne - possibly just a concubine, who later marries Esperleng de Pitres; secondly Luitgardis de Vermandois). 2. Gerloc (d. after 969, married Guillaume I, Tete d'Etoupe, Comte de Poitou and Duke of Aquitaine, OUR ANCESTOR).
From the French Wikipedia page on Poppa de Bayeux: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppa_de_Bayeux
Poppa de Bayeux est la « frilla » (épouse More danico")[1] du jarl des Normands Rollon et la mère du duc de Normandie Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ses origines restent obscures. Les historiens retiennent deux hypothèses :
1. Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[2], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». 2. Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. On pourrait en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153
Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) .
Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
Notes
1.↑ Le mariage "more danico" ("à la danoise") ou "danesche manere" en normand, désigne le mode de polygynie pratiqué par les Vikings implantés en Normandie après le traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. 2.↑ appelé plus tard Rollon, duc de Normandie
In English:
Poppa de Bayeux was the Danish-styled wife of Jarl of the Normans Rollo, and the mother of Duke of Normandy William Longsword. Her origins are obscure.
Historians have two hypotheses on where she came from:
1. According to Dudo of St-Quentin, she would be the daughter of the Comte de Bayeux Berenger. When the city of Bayeux was besieged by the Viking leader Hrolfr the Walker, Hrolfr kills her father at the storming of the city (885/889). Rollon takes young Poppa and makes her his "frills" (Danish-styled wife). 2. According to the Annals Jumieges, Poppa was the daughter of Gui, Comte de Senlis, and sister of Bernard.
In both cases, the ancestry of Poppa would be prestigious: Beranger was one of two people charged with defending Neustria against the Normans, and Guy of Senlis was married to Evrard of Friuli.
Another hypothesis, less prestigious but at least as credible, was suggested by historian and specialist Jean Renaud that she was a concubine of Hrolfr, taken as a shepherdess from the Hebrides.
This union had at least two children: a daughter named Gerloc (baptized under the name "Adele", OUR ANCESTOR), and William Longsword. William was born overseas while his father Rollo was still a pagan. This suggests that his birth preceded the Treaty of St-Clair-sur-Epte in 911, the date of conversion and final installation of Rollo in Normandy.
Historian Pierre Bauduiin believes that Poppa's marriage to the Norman chieftain attests to an early link between her and the Frankish aristocracy, and sheds light on the agreement of 911; King Charles the Simple was simply dealing with a character already partly integrated into the Carolingian kingdom.
A statue of Poppa sits atop a fountain erected in the Place de Gaulle in Bayeux.
Notes:
1. Marriage "more danico" (Danish-styled) or "danesche manere" in Norman means the way of polygyny practiced by the Vikings that established Normandy after the Treaty of St-Clair-sur-Epte.
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Poppa* DE VALOIS (Duchess of Normandy) ABT 0872 - ____
TITLE: Duchess of Normandy * BIRTH: ABT 0872, Evreux,Nuestria,France
Father: Berenger* DE BAYEUX Mother: Unknown* DE RENNES
Family 1 : Rolf* RAGNVALDSSON
MARRIAGE: ABT 0886
1. Crespina of NORMANDY 2. Kathlin of NORMANDY 3. +Geirlaug* DE NORMANDY 4. Robert, Count of CORBEIL 5. +William I* 6. Adele of NORMANDY 7. +Mainfred DE PERCY
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There seem to be various opinions as to which Poppa should occuy this place. Poppa de Bayeux, etc.
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"Poppa" She was associated with Rollo, comte de Rouen, as his "Danish wife," a prisoner he'd taken in battle.
She was a Christian.
See "My Lines" ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p45.htm#i5203 ) from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 1.Note: Page: 121e-18
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General Notes
~Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th Edition, 121E:18, 1st Count of Normandy, banished from Normandy to the Hebrides. Took part in the Viking attck on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his daughter Poppa captured and taken in 886, by Rollo as his "Danish" wife.
Information about this person:
• Dates & Events: Wife or mistress of Rollo "of Normandy", 10th century. A wife or mistress of Rollo of Normandy, and mother of Rollo's son and successor William "Longsword", her name is reported only by the often unreliable Dudo [ii, 16 (pp. 38-9); iii, 36 (p. 57)] and by sources depending on him (hence the quotes around her name). The only certain fact that is known about her comes from the contemporary (or nearly so) Planctus of her son William, which states (without naming her) that she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas.
~Stewart Baldwin
"Poppa" married Hrolf "Ganger" Rognvaldsson Princeps Nortmannorum, son of Ragnivald "the Wise" Eysteinsson Jarl of More and Ranghilda Hrólfsson.167 (Hrolf "Ganger" Rognvaldsson Princeps Nortmannorum was born in 846-870 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway, baptized in 912, died in 929 in Normandy 160 and was buried in 929 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Normandy, France 160.)
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She was captured & taken by Rollo the Ganger Ragnvaldsson during Viking attack. Rollo named her his "Danish" wife
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POPPA DUCHESS OF NORWAY DE VALOIS. She was born 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France.
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Barn:
William "Long-eper" av Normandie (- 942)
Adele av Normandie
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Poppa was Hrolf's "Rollo's" 1st wife or second concubine. Rollo 'left' Poppa to marry King Charles illegitimate daughter Giselle, but returned to her after Giselle died. His marriage to Giselle was without issue.
Rollo possibly had about fourteen children but the four known to us today were probably Poppa’s.
"Papie", "Poppa of Bayeux", "Poppe de Rennes", "Poppa de Valois", "Papia"Duchesse de Normandie, Hertiginna av Normandie, Papia de Valois, Duchess of Normandy.
All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy.
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Gunnora b.? – d.1031
Herfastus b.900
Wavia b.903
Werina b.904
Duvelina b.905
Sainfria b.906
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- She was captured & taken by Rollo the Ganger Ragnvaldsson during a Viking attack. Rollo named her his "Danish" wife. Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppa_of_Bayeux --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Poppa of Bayeux was the mistress or wife[1] (perhaps by more danico)[2] of Norman conqueror Rollo. She was the mother of William I, Duke of Normandy, and Gerloc. Chronicler Dudo of Saint-Quentin relates that she was the daughter of a count named Berenger, captured at Bayeux by Rollo in 885 or 889. This has led to speculation that she was the daughter of Berengar II of Neustria. A statue of Poppa stands at Place de Gaulle in Bayeux.
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Poppa de Valois de Bayeux, married to Rollo de Normandie.
Poppa was not a duchess, countess or princess, and her husband Rollo was not a duke but was referred to as "comes", a count.
It is not clear which of Berengar's wives was her mother.
Medieval Lands
FMG.ac Gange-Hrolf married: m [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[31]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[32]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[33], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[34]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[35]. The Historia Norwegie records that, after capturing Rouen, "Rodulfus" married the daughter of its deceased count by whom he was father of "Willelmum…Longosped"[36]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[37], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[38], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[39]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm
BERENGER (-[886 or after]). Comte de Bayeux. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[770]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[771], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. m [as her first husband] --- [du Vexin], daughter of PEPIN [Carolingian] & his wife ---. Berengar & his wife had one child:
a) POPPA . According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[772]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[773], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume. The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem filiam comitis Silvanectensis Widonis"[774]. Robert of Torigny combines the information, recording that "Rollo dux Northmannorum" married "Popam prius repudiatam uxorem…filiam…Berengarii comitis Baiocensis neptem vero Widonis comitis Silvanectensis"[775]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "le comte Bernard" welcomed "son neveu Richard" (grandson of Rollo) at Senlis after his escape from captivity[776], although in another passage he describes how Rollo captured Bayeux and took "une très-noble jeune fille Popa, fille de Bérenger" in the town, marrying her "à la manière des Danois"[777], in a later passage adding that Rollo married Poppa, whom he had previously repudiated, a second time after the death of his wife[778]. It would be possible to reconcile the different versions if Comte Bernard's mother was married twice, her first husband being Bérenger Comte de Bayeux.
m (886 or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) as his second wife, ROLLO, later known as ROBERT I Comte [de Normandie], son of [RAGNVALD "the Wise" Jarl of Möre in Norway & his wife Ragnhild] ([846]-[928]).
Poppa de Bayeux est la « frilla » (épouse à la manière danoise) du jarl des Normands Rollon et la mère du duc de Normandie Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ses origines restent obscures. Les historiens retiennent deux hypothèses :
•Selon Dudon de Saint-Quentin, elle serait la fille du comte Béranger de Bayeux. Alors que la ville de Bayeux est assiégée par des Vikings dirigés par Hrólf le Marcheur[1], ce dernier tue Béranger lors de la prise de la ville (885/889). Rollon enlève la jeune Poppa et la prend pour « frilla ». * Selon les Annales de Jumièges, Popa serait la fille de Gui, comte de Senlis et la sœur de Bernard
Dans les deux cas, l’ascendance de Poppa est prestigieuse : Béranger serait l’un des deux marquis chargé de défendre la Neustrie contre les Normands tandis que Gui de Senlis descend par les femmes d’Evrard de Frioul.
Une autre hypothèse, moins prestigieuse, mais pour le moins aussi crédible, abordée par l'historien et spécialiste Jean Renaud, fait de Poppa une concubine de Hrólf, bergère venue des Hébrides.
De cette union naquirent au moins deux enfants : une fille nommée Gerloc (baptisée sous le prénom d’« Adèle ») et Guillaume Longue-Épée. Ce dernier naquit outre-mer alors que son père Rollon était encore païen. Il faut en déduire que cette naissance est antérieure au traité de Saint-Clair-sur-Epte en 911, date de la conversion et de l’installation définitive de Rollon en Normandie. Pour l’historien Pierre Bauduin, l’union entre Poppa et le chef normand atteste des liens précoce entre ce dernier et l’aristocratie franque et permet d’éclairer sous un nouveau jour l’accord de 911 : le roi Charles le Simple traite avec un personnage déjà en partie intégré au royaume carolingien.
Une statue au sommet d'une fontaine érigée Place de Gaulle à Bayeux représente Poppa.
Bibliographie
•Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, « Poppa de Bayeux et sa famille », dans Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval, Prosopographica et genealogica, Oxford, 2000, 310 p. (ISBN 1-900934-01-9), p. 140-153 * Pierre Bauduin, « Des raids scandinaves à l’établissement de la principauté de Rouen » dans Elisabeth Deniaux, Claude Lorren, Pierre Bauduin et Thomas Jarry, La Normandie avant les Normands, de la conquête romaine à l’arrivée des Vikings, éditions Ouest-France Université, Rennes, 2002 (ISBN 2-7373-1117-9) . * Jean et Sigrid Renaud, Rollon, chef viking, éditions Ouest-France Université, 2006 (ISBN 978-2-7373-3592-1)
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All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of what (Brittania Nova) became Normandy.
Lady Popie (the Poupee or Poppet), married 890 by Danish rites Rollo, the Dane. He was one of those men of the north, who were called Normans, a mixed nation of the fiercest Norwegian, Swedish and Danish tribes. They settled in Neustria in France at the beginning of the 10th Century, when King Charles the Simple conferred the duchy, since called Normandy on Rollo, the Dane, the most celebrated of the Norman leaders. He was expelled from Norway for an act of depredation in Viking contrary to the King's commands, having descended on the coast between Norway and Gothland and carried off the cattle wanted by his crew. His mother pleaded in vain for him, but for this act Rollo was declared an outlaw. Thus Rollo's outlawry led to the establishment of the Dukes of Normandy, who became, through William the Conqueror, King of England, 5th in descent from Rollo. Rollo married 2nd Gisela, daughter of King Charles the Simple, but did not have issue by her. On her death he took back Poppie and they were married by the Christian ceremony. Rollo died about 931. (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 278)
Daughter of Berenger of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually becomes Western Normandy http://www.jbdaedal.com/shannon/4/1483.htm http://fabpedigree.com/s039/f070063.htm
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Little is known about his early years. He was born in Bayeux or Rouen to Rollo and his wife Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy.
Poppa. All that is known of Poppa is that she was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy. According to the William's planctus, he was baptised a Christian.
Another site gives Poppas name as - Poppa De VALOIS
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~goehring/fam1380.html source : Christian Settipani, La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987, 1993 (Source Media Type: Book ABBR La Prehistoire des Capetians: 481-987 NS380393)
He married Poppa DE VALOIS 891. He died 931 in Notre Dame,Rouen,France. Poppa DE VALOIS, daughter of Berenger DE BAYEUX , was born 872 in Evreux,Normandy,France.
This is interesting since I much closer relative, Vallas/Vallois LaDue has a name very close to this family name.
Familj med Robert 'Gånge-Rolf' Ragvaldsson av Normandie (870 - 932) Vigsel: 886 1)
Barn: Adele av Normandie (917 - 962) Vilhelm I 'långsvärd' av Normandie (- 942)
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1) Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, Hull, England
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It is thought that Poppa, daughter of the Béranger, Count of Bayeux, was captured in a Viking raid on Bayeux and taken by Rollo as his wife. -------------------- Poppa, Duchess of Normandy, was a Christian, and the daughter to Berengar of Rennes, the previous lord of Brittania Nova, which eventually became western Normandy. -------------------- Poppa was Rollo's first wife. They had 5 childern. Rolla than repudiated Poppa and married Gisela in 912. they had 1 daughter. After Gisela died in 919 he remarried Poppa. -------------------- From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#GuillaumeIdied942
[m] [firstly] ---. The identity of Rollo´s first wife or concubine is not known. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Ancestry of Poppa wife of Rolf the Ganger
The ancestry of Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, seems to have two versions. It now appears that Poppa was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and not a daughter of Count Berenger of Bayeux. This makes Poppa, through her mother, a great granddaughter of King Bernard of Italy (b. 797, d. 818; King of Italy 813 - 817) King Bernard was a grandson of Charlemagne. However, a very accessible and highly respected source, Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots, Baltimore, 1999, Line 121E - 19 states: GANGER ROLF, "The Viking" (or ROLLO), banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 867, 890 participated in Viking attack on Bayeux, where Count Berenger of Bayeux was killed, and his dau. Poppa captured and taken, 886, by Rollo (now called Count of Rouen) as his "Danish" wife. Under Treaty of St. Claire, 911, rec'd the Duchy of Normandy . . ..
For Line 121E, Weis gives as his source "Moriarty, The Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 10-11, 13." This refers to the 300 page manuscript of George Andrews Moriarty: The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa. Professor Moriarty (1883 - 1968) never felt that his work was "finished" and he never published his manuscript which was donated to New England Historical Genealogical Society in Boston. The manuscript was photocopied and printed by the Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, Salt Lake City, Utah, in 1985. Here is the part of page 11 of Professor Moriarty's manuscript from where Dr. Weis apparently drew his information:
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Please recall that Professor Moriarty felt that his work was never "finished"; and observe that he has a note to "See p. 226" under the details of Poppa. Here the part of page 226 to which Professor Moriarty was referring:
Under the above passage, Professor Moriarty gave the following outline:
I have attempted to copy Professor Moriarty's manuscript as best I could: Poppa, Wife of Ganger Rolf
According to Dudon, William Longue Épeé of Normandy had as his 'avunculus' (maternal uncle) Count Bernard of Senlis, the friend and consellor of Hugh the Great. The Chronicon Rothomagense (Labbe Bibliotheca Manuscriptorum Nova, I, p. 365) ano 912 confirms this and stated that Rolf married the daughter of Count Gui de Senlis, so if Bernard were the son of Gui, he would be the 'avunculus" of William. Dudon, however calls Poppa the daughter of Count Berenger, but Dudon is not highly trustworthy. The name Bernard belongs in the family of the Counts of Vermandois, descended from Bernard, King of Italy. A Count Bernard, probably Bernard de Senlis is called be Flodoard (Annales ano 923, p. 15) the 'consobrinus' (cousin germain by the female side) of Herbert II Count of Vermandois. The Belgian érudit, J. Dhondt, in his "Études sur la Naissance de Principautés Territoriales au France pp. 119/120 n.) (Bruges 1948), suggests that Gui Count of Senlis married a sister of Herbert I Count of Vermandois (see p. 6 anti) and had issue Bernard Count of Senlis and probably Poppa, wife of Rolf. Finally, Professor Moriarty's outline or summary would be as follows: Pepin de Peronne, son of Bernard, King of Italy Died after 846 His children included: Herbert I Count of Vermandois, died between 900 and 904. His son: Herbert II Count of Vermandois, died in 943 a daughter who married Gui, Count of Senlis. Their children: Bernard Count of Senlis, adherent of Hugh the Great Poppa who married Rolf, Count of Rouen
Hence, the best evidence to date seems to indicate that Poppa, wife of Rolf the Ganger, 1st Duke of Normandy, was a daughter of Gui, Count of Senlis and a great X3 granddaughter of Charlemagne
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Ben notes: There seems to be too much uncertainty about the family of Poppa to commit either way to a theory of her origin. About all that I can really feel certain about is that she was taken by Rollo in the sacking of Bayeux, and that she was an important captive (thus the idea that she was either the daughter of Berenger II de Neustria, or Guy of Senlis).
From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Normandy: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#Gerlocdiedafter969
Rollo married [secondly] ([886] or after, repudiated, remarried after 912) POPPA, daughter of BERENGAR Comte de Bayeux & his wife ---.
Guillaume of Jumièges records that Rollo took "Popa, fille de Bérenger, homme illustre" when he captured Bayeux and "s´unit avec elle, à la manière des Danois"[32]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Rollo "stormed and captured Bayeux, slew its count Berengar and took to wife his daughter Poppa"[33]. In another passage, the same source records that Rollo besieged Paris, captured Bayeux, killed "Berengarium comitem" and married his daughter Popa, in 886[34], although this date appears early in light of the likely birth date range of the couple's son Guillaume.
The Chronico Rotomagensis records that "mortua a Gisla, accepit Rollo propriam uxorem
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