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32 ° Bisabuelo/ Great Grandfather de: Carlos Juan Felipe Antonio Vicente De La Cruz Urdaneta Alamo →Adalramn II, comte de Laon, King's advisor to Louis II the Stammerer is your 32nd great grandfather.
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Adalramn II, comte de Laon, King's advisor to Louis II the Stammerer is your 32nd great grandfather.of→ Carlos Juan Felipe Antonio Vicente De La Cruz Urdaneta Alamo→ Dr. Enrique Jorge Urdaneta Lecuna
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Adalramn II, comte de Laon, King's advisor to Louis II the Stammerer
Gender: Male
Birth: 825
Death: after July 14, 885
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Son of Adelramn, Comte de Troyes and Wildrut NN
Husband of daughter of Count Nibelung IV?
Father of Gauthier, comte de Laon; Adalramm III; Theoderic and Théodrate de Troyes
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From fmgMedlands http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#AledramnI
[ADELRAMN [II] [Aleran] (-14 Jul, after 885). The primary source which names Adelramn [II] as the son of Adelramn [I] has not so yet been identified. Comte de Laon. Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks donated property to "mon. Cellensi" which had been taken "per violentiam et vim cuiusdam Aleranni comitis", by charter dated 856[555]. "Adelelm et Bernard comtes de la region du Laonnais" donated property to Sainte-Marie de Laon as executors of the testament of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the Franks[556]. It is possible that "Adelelm" refers to "Adelramn". The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "II Id Jul" of "Alerannus comes"[557]. The necrology of Argenteuil Priory records the death "II Id Jul" of "Alerannus comes"[558].
m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Count Adelramn [II] are not known. However, Settipani speculates that she was ---, daughter of Count Nibelung [IV] because of the transmission of the name Theoderic to one of the couple's probable sons and the apparent transmission of Vexin, previously held by Nibelung [IV], to their son Adelramn [III][559].] Adelramn [II] & his wife had [four] children:
i) GAUTHIER . Comte de Laon. The primary source which proves his existence has not so far been identified.
ii) [ADELRAMN [III] [Aleran] . The Miracula Sancti Huberti record that "cuius [Theodericus] frater Alerammus" was also active in "comitatum Arduennensem"[560]. Settipani suggests that he and his brother were sons of Adelramn [II][561].
iii) [THEODERIC . “Carlomannus…Rex” restored property “villam Taniacum” to the church of Autun, at the request of “Richardi Comiti Augustodensis”, by charter dated 1 Dec 880, the text ending with “Theodoricus Comes ambasciavit”[562]. Abbo's Bella Parisiciæ Urbis names "Teoderici procerum ast Aledramni" as famed at the siege of Paris in 886[563], although it is not certain that this refers to the same person as the following passages. The Annales Vedastini record that "Theodericum comitem" was sent to Italy to invite "imperatorem Karolum" to take control of the kingdom of the West Franks after the death of Carloman in 884[564]. The Annales Vedastini record that "Theodericus comes" was a main supporter of the candidature of "Odonem" as king of France in 888[565]. The editor of the MGH SS compilation suggests that this was the same person as "Theodericus camerarius" who had been awarded "comitatum Augustodunensem" in 878 at "concilio Trecensi" which decided the redistribution of the assets of "Bernardo Gothiæ marchione", and as the Theoderic who possessed "castrum sancti Quintini" in 895[566]. The Miracula Sancti Huberti record that "Comitatum Arduennensem agebat Theodericus", in a passage that appears to be datable to the early 10th century[567]. Settipani suggests that he and his brother were sons of Adelramn [II][568].
iv) [THEODERADA . "Odo…rex" confirmed the possessions of "monasterio Vedastino" by charter dated 21 May [891/92] which names "coniux nostra Theoderada"[569]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[570], the wife of Eudes King of France was the possible daughter of Adelramn [II], but Settipani says that this has no historical basis[571]. Nevertheless, Theoderic, supposed son of Adelramn [II], was a strong supporter of King Eudes, as recorded in the Annales Vedastini[572], which is best explained by a family connection: if the relationship is correct, he would have been Theoderada’s brother. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Kalendarium Sanctæ Mariæ Virdunensis, which records the death "XIV Kal Jul" of "Otto comes venerabilis qui dedit fratribus Haraudi montem, Bresadi villam, Samepodium"[573], read together with the necrology of Verdun Cathedral which records the death "XV Kal Nov" of "Theudrada regina et postea sancti monialis qui cum viro suo Hattone dedit fratribus Haraldi montem"[574]. These two sources make it clear that "viro suo Hattone" named in the second cannot refer to Eudes King of France, who would not have been called "Otto comes" in the first, and in any case is recorded in other sources as having died on 3 Jan (in 898). m firstly EUDES Marquis en Neustrie, son of ROBERT "le Fort" Comte [de Tours], Marquis en Neustrie & his [second] wife --- (in Neustrie [after 852][575]-La Fère-sur-Oise 3 Jan 898). He was acclaimed as EUDES King of France in 888. m secondly (898 or after) [as his second wife,] OTTO, son of --- (-19 Jun
).]
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Gauthier, comte de Laon
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Agregado por: Ing. Carlos Juan Felipe Urdaneta Alamo, MD.IG.
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