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Pharamond
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King Pharamond in an anachronistic portrait
Pharamond[1] or Faramund (c. 365 – 430) is a legendary early king of the Franks, first referred to in the anonymous 8th-century Carolingian text Liber Historiae Francorum, also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum. In this work, which is customarily dated to 727, the anonymous author begins by writing of a mythical Trojan origin for the Franks. The emphasis of the Liber was upon "construct[ing] a specific past for a particular group of people."[2]
Legend
The story is told of the election of the first Frankish king.[3] It says that after the death of Sunno, his brother Marcomer, leader of the Ampsivarii and Chatti, proposed to the Franks that they should have one single king, contrary to their tradition. The Liber adds that Pharamond, named as Marcomer's son, was chosen as this first king (thus beginning the tradition of long-haired kings of the Franks), and then states that when he died, his son Chlodio was raised up as the next king. The work says no more of him.
Because there is no reference in any source prior to this work[4] to this figure named Pharamond, who is placed prior to Chlodio (that is, before ca. 428), scholars consider him a legendary rather than historical figure.[5] As a matter of fact in several sources, for example Gregory of Tours, multiple kings are attested to rule simultaneously in later times.[citation needed] It is thus a dubious matter to assume that, even if Pharamond existed, he was ever recognized as sole king. The first king of the Franks who may have been close to this position was Clovis I, but after his death his empire was divided again amongst his sons, who ruled again simultaneously.
The myth of Pharamond has led to new legends and romances in later times. In past times this has led to attempts to falsely write Pharamond into Prosper Tiro.[6] Martin Bouquet at a much later date invented an entire history of Pharamond.[1]
Historical sources
Gregory of Tours, in his Annales Francici notes in 420 "Pharamond reigns in France" ("Pharamundus regnat in Francia" - Annales Francici, page 151)
Sigebert of Gembloux names him as King of the Franks between Marcomer and Chlodio ("Post Marcomirum filius ejus Faramundus fuit, rex crinitus, a quo Franci crinitos reges habere coeperunt. Post quem Clodius filius ejus regnans Francis a Thoringia advectis Gallias invasit, et capta urbe Tornaco Cameracum usque progressus multos Romanorum in Galliis peremit" [2]). He keeps the mythical origin for Marcomer.
Saint Gregory wrote about a group of Trojans that escaped to the Maeotian marshes, then into Pannonia, becoming the Sicambri (a subdivision of the Franks), who inhabited the region along with the Alans. The Alan presence in Pannonia is historical around 370, as part of their migrations to Gaul, and later to Hispania, where they ruled until the arrival of the Visigoths. He says that later, the Franks migrated to Germania led by Marcomer, and established themselves along the Rhine. After Marcomer's death, Pharemundus, or Faramundus succeeded him as chieftain.
In Gesta Francorum (c.1100), chapter 8 describes how the Franks changed their laws under Pharamond . ([3] page 229)
Pharamond in later culture
A Pharamond appears as the king of France in the Prose Tristan and later Arthurian works.
Pharamond is mentioned in William Shakespeare's Henry V, Act I, Scene 2, as the originator of the Salic law banning women from succession to the throne of France.
He appears as the title character in the opera Faramondo by George Frideric Handel.
A character named Pharamond appears in the Sandman and Lucifer comics series.
Alluded to in Victor Hugo's The Hunchback of Notre-Dame after Jehan Frollo's arrow pierces the left arm of Quasimodo the hunchback: "This no more disturbed Quasimodo than a scratch would have bothered King Pharamond." (Cobb translation)
Faramund is the faction leader of the Franks and a playable character in the PC video game Total War: Attila when beginning a Grand Campaign, with a begin date of 395 AD. He is the son of the former deceased faction leader Marcomer.
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Death: between circa 427 and circa 430
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Son of Marcomir I, King of the Franks at Cologne and Hatilde
Husband of Argotta of the Franks and Ymbergide / Imberitrude
Father of Fredemundus; Clodius de Cologne, VI; Adalbertus de Cologne; Chararic (Guerric) de Tongres; Sigebert De Soissons, King de Cologne and 5 others
Brother of Marcomir II, King of the Franks
Half brother of Ragnachilde De Toxandrie; Meroveo II de los Francos; Chlodowig I, King of the Franks at Cologne; Albofledis .; Blésinde des Francs and 2 others
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Pharamond or Faramund (c. 370 - c. 427) is probably legendary rather than historical. Although he is often called the first king of the Salian Franks, he was first mentioned in the anonymous 8th century Carolingian text Liber Historiae Francorum, also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum.
A modern invention sometimes calls him a son of Frotmund (Fictitious)
The legend of his miraculous birth suggests that the ancient Franks had a form of Divine Kingship, probably a descent from Odin.
Some sources show Pharamond and Marcomir as brothers
Some sources show Marcomir as Pharamond's father
Some sources show Marcomir as Pharamond's step-father
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De eerste bron die een koning Pharamond noemt, in één zin, is het achtste-eeuwse Liber Historiae Francorum, dat bedoeld was om de Franken een specifiek verleden te geven (de anonieme auteur was een monnik van de Abdij van Saint-Denis, die onder de invloed stond van hofmeier Karel Martel). De Benedictijner monnik Martin Bouquet (1685-1754) bedacht een heel verhaal om koning Pharamond heen. Een oude vertaalfout in het Liber Historiae Francorum leidde enkele historici uit de Vroegmoderne tijd ertoe om de vermelding van Pharamond ook aan de geschiedschrijver Prosper van Aquitanië (ca. 390-455) toe te schrijven, een tijdgenoot dus. En om de verwarring compleet te maken vermeldt Gregorius van Tours een andere Pharamond, een priester uit Parijs die leefde in de tweede helft van de zesde eeuw.
Maar in de negentiende eeuw werd uiteindelijk bewezen dat 'koning Pharamond' een verzinsel was.
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King Pharamond
Pharamond or Faramund is a legendary early king of the Franks first referred to in the anonymous 8th century Carolingian text Liber Historiae Francorum, also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum. In this work, which is customarily dated to 727, the anonymous author begins by writing of a mythical Trojan origin for the Franks. The emphasis of the Liber was upon "construct[ing] a specific past for a particular group of people."[1]
The story is told of the election of the first Frankish king.[2] It says that after the death of Sunno, his brother Marcomer, leader of the Ampsivarii and Chatti, proposed to the Franks that they should have one single king, contrary to their tradition. The Liber adds that Pharamond, named as Marchomir's son, was chosen as this first king (thus beginning the tradition of long-haired kings of the Franks), and then states that when he died, his son Chlodio was raised up as the next king. The work says no more of him.
Because there is no reference in any source prior to this work[3] to this figure named Pharamond, who is placed prior to Chlodio (that is, before ca. 428), scholars consider him a legendary rather than historical figure.[4] As a matter of fact in several sources, for example Gregory of Tours, multiple kings are attested to rule simultaneously in later times. It is thus a dubious matter to assume that, even had Pharamond existed, he was ever recognized as sole king. The first king of the Franks who may have been close to this position was Clovis I, but after his death his empire was divided again amongst his sons who ruled again simultaneously. Pharamond exact life time is not known, but he did live during the 4th cenruty.[5]
The myth of Pharamond has led to new legends and romances in later times. In past times this has led to attempts to falsely write Pharamond into Prosper Tiro[6]. Martin Bouquet at a much later date invented an entire history of Pharamond.[1]
Reigned 410 - 426 Originally Duke of the East Franks, King Pharamond is considered to be the first king of the Franks. Pharamond or Faramund is a legendary early king of the FranksFranks The Franks or Frankish people were a West Germanic ethnic group first identified in the 3rd century as living north and east of the Lower Rhine River....
first referred to in the anonymous 8th century CarolingianCarolingian
File:Charlemagne denier Mayence 812 814.jpgThe Carolingian dynasty was a Frankish noble family with its origins in the Arnulfing and Pippinid clans of the 7th century....
text Liber Historiae FrancorumLiber Historiae Francorum
Liber historiae Francorum is a book that briefly starts as secondary source for early Franks in the time of Marcomer, and it gives a short breviarum until the time of the late Merovingians, where it becomes an important primary source of the contemporain history.... , also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum. In this work, which is customarily dated to 727, the anonymous author begins by writing of a mythical TrojanTroy Troy is a legendary city and center of the Trojan War, as described in the Epic Cycle, and especially in the Iliad, one of the two epic poems attributed to Homer....
origin for the FranksFranks
The Franks or Frankish people were a West Germanic ethnic group first identified in the 3rd century as living north and east of the Lower Rhine River.... Pharamond or Faramund is a legendary early king of the FranksFranks The Franks or Frankish people were a West Germanic ethnic group first identified in the 3rd century as living north and east of the Lower Rhine River....
first referred to in the anonymous 8th century CarolingianCarolingian
File:Charlemagne denier Mayence 812 814.jpgThe Carolingian dynasty was a Frankish noble family with its origins in the Arnulfing and Pippinid clans of the 7th century....
text Liber Historiae FrancorumLiber Historiae Francorum
Liber historiae Francorum is a book that briefly starts as secondary source for early Franks in the time of Marcomer, and it gives a short breviarum until the time of the late Merovingians, where it becomes an important primary source of the contemporain history.... , also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum. In this work, which is customarily dated to 727, the anonymous author begins by writing of a mythical TrojanTroy Troy is a legendary city and center of the Trojan War, as described in the Epic Cycle, and especially in the Iliad, one of the two epic poems attributed to Homer....
origin for the FranksFranks
The Franks or Frankish people were a West Germanic ethnic group first identified in the 3rd century as living north and east of the Lower Rhine River.... . The emphasis of the Liber was upon "construct[ing] a specific past for a particular group of people."
Austrasien var ett frankiskt kungarike under merovingerna, från 500-talet till 700-talet. Det omfattande områden på båda sidor av mellersta Rhen, med huvudorterna Metz och Reims.
Under Pharamond reign the Franks were united under one crown. He succeeded his father as Duke of the East Franks in 404 A.D.; became King of the West Franks in 419 A.D. and King of Westphalia in 420 A.D. He married Argotta, daughter of Grimald, Duke of the West Franks, in 409 A.D. At his father-in- law's death in 419 A.D., Pharamond became Duke of the West Franks. A son is recorded from this marriage: Clodio , b. 389 A.D.
Pharamond was King of Westphalia, and is considered the first king of the Salian Franks after the departure of the Romans from Gaul. He was born about 370, and he married Argotta, daughter of Genebald, Duke of East Franks. They were the parents of Clodius “Long Hair”, King of the Franks.
Noteringar PHARAMOND , kung över hela Franks Enligt Pharamond regeringstid frankerna förenades under en krona. Han efterträdde sin far som hertig av East frankerna i 404 AD , blev kung av West Franks i 419 AD och kung av Westfalen i 420 e.Kr. Han gifte sig Argotta , dotter till Grimald , hertig av West Franks , i 409 AD Vid faderns - svärfar död 419 e.Kr. , blev Pharamond hertig av West Franks . En son är inspelad från detta äktenskap : Clodio , b. 389 A.D.
Pharamond är stamfader som har en tydlig dokumenterad linje. Tidigare härskare dokumenterades från gamla skivor och annaler nämns i kyrkan historia.
PHARAMOND, KING OF ALL FRANKS Under Pharamond reign the Franks were united under one crown. He succeeded his father as Duke of the East Franks in 404 A.D.; became King of the West Franks in 419 A.D. and King of Westphalia in 420 A.D. He married Argotta, daughter of Grimald, Duke of the West Franks, in 409 A.D. At his father-in- law's death in 419 A.D., Pharamond became Duke of the West Franks. A son is recorded from this marriage: Clodio , b. 389 A.D.
Faramund (auch Pharamund, französisch Pharamond) war angeblich ein König der salischen Franken von 418 oder 420 bis zu seinem Tod 428.
Er wurde in der französischen Geschichtsschreibung als erster merowingischer König angesehen, ist aber sehr wahrscheinlich nur eine Sagengestalt. Sollte es sich um eine historische Gestalt handeln, so hat er nach einem gescheiterten Versuch des 4. Jahrhunderts (Toxandrien) den neuerlichen und diesmal erfolgreichen Versuch unternommen, die Franken dauerhaft westlich des Rheins anzusiedeln. Diese fränkischen Stämme wurde dann als Salfranken bekannt, während die östlich verbliebenen Rheinfranken oder Ripuarier genannt wurden.
Der im 8. Jahrhundert verfasste Liber historiae Francorum nennt erstmals einen König namens Faramundus; er sei ein Sohn des Marcomer (Marchamirus) und Vater Chlodios gewesen.[1]
Faramund wurde lange Zeit als erster König aus dem Geschlecht der Merowinger angesehen. Ende des 19. Jahrhunderts wurde seine Existenz jedoch als mythisch erkannt. Der Autor des Liber historiae Francorum fasste die sechs ersten Bücher des Geschichtswerks Gregors von Tours zusammen und fügte dabei 21 Zusatzinformationen an, darunter die zu Faramund und Marcomir. Er verfügte aber über keine eigenen authentischen Informationen zur Geschichte des 5. Jahrhunderts, sondern stützte sich auf Gregors Angaben. Es ist sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass er drei Jahrhunderte nach den Ereignissen Kenntnisse über frühe Merowinger besaß, die weiter reichten als diejenigen Gregors.
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Pharamond (c. 370 - c. 430) é considerado como sendo o primeiro rei dos francos salianos, embora ele seja possivelmente uma figura mais lendária que histórica. Ele era possivelmente filho ou genro de Marcomer.
Apenas os historiadores Próspero da Aquitânia e Martin Bouquet escreveram sobre seu reinado em datas bastante posteriores. Em 420, ele supostamente conduziu seu povo na travessia do Reno na direção oeste. Esse movimento efetivamente separou sua tribo da tribo majoritária dos francos ripurianos que haviam se fixado próximo a Colônia. Faramundo foi finalmente sucedido por seu filho Clódio. Sua esposa foi Argotta.
Genealogia
Ele era filho de Marcomer ou Marcomir (filho de Clodius ou Cláudio) e Frimutel ou Frimuta. Clodius (324-389) era filho de Dagobert ou Dagoberto (300-379). Dagoberto era filho de Genebald ou Genebaldo (262-358), por sua vez, filho de outro Dagoberto, de filiação desconhecida.
Duc des Francs Saliens (420-428) -
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Duke of Salian Franks (420-428)
Pharamond 1 2 •Sex: M •Title: King of Franks •Birth: ABT 370 in Westphalia, Germany 3 •Death: 430 1 2
• Pharamond, Duke of the East Franks, 404 A.D., elected King of the West Franks, 419, died in 430, 16th in descent from Boadicea. He married Argotta, "the mother of all the kings of France." They were the great great grandparents of Clovis. He was descended 13 generations from Athildis, who married in 129 A.D. Marcomir IV., King of Franconia, who died in 149. Athildis was the daughter of "Old King Cole," known also as Colius I., who died in 170 A.D.
Father: Marcomir b: ABT 347 in Germany
Marriage 1 Argotta b: ABT 376 in Kingdom of the East Franks •Married: 394 3 Children 1. Chlodo b: ABT 395 in Westphalia, Germany
Pharamond (c.370-426)
Considered to be the first king of the Salian Franks from AD 409, Pharamond is scarcely known to history, living on the fringes of the Roman empire as he did. His parentage is unknown, but he could have been a son or son-in-law of Marcomer.
Contemporary historian Prosper Tiro wrote about Pharamond. In 420, he reportedly led his people across the River Rhine to head into the Roman Empire. This movement effectively separated his tribe from the majority of the Ripuarian Franks who had settled near Cologne. However, there were certainly Franks already settled on the west bank of the Rhine in 407, possibly Sicambrian Franks, so perhaps Pharamond was leading the first group of Salian Franks to arrive.
Pharamond was eventually succeeded by his son Clodio. His wife was Argotta. A Pharamond appears as the king of France in the prose Tristan and later Arthurian works; he was clearly inspired by the historical leader.
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ID: I5683 Name: Pharamond King Of Franks Given Name: Pharamond Suffix: King Of Franks Sex: M Birth: ABT 0370 in Westphalia,Germany Death: ABT 0427 _UID: F3933B1540399F438E1A09614F02F41CA4A3 Change Date: 27 Dec 2007 at 03:00:00
Father: Marcomir Duke Of East Franks b: ABT 0347 in Germany
Marriage 1 Argotta b: ABT 0376 in France
Married: 0394
Children
Has Children Clodius "Long Hair" King Of Franks b: ABT 0395 in Westphalia,Germany
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King Pharamond b. 370
Pharamond or Faramund (c. 370-427) is a legendary early king of the Franks, first referred to in the anonymous 8th century Carolingian text Liber Historiae Francorum, also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum. In this work, which is customarily dated to 727, the anonymous author begins by writing of a mythical Trojan origin for the Franks. The emphasis of the Liber was upon "constructing a specific past for a particular group of people."
Legend
The story is told of the election of the first Frankish king. It says that after the death of Sunno, his brother Marcomer, leader of the Ampsivarii andChatti, proposed to the Franks that they should have one single king, contrary to their tradition. The Liber adds that Pharamond, named as Marchomir's son, was chosen as this first king (thus beginning the tradition of long-haired kings of the Franks), and then states that when he died, his son Chlodiowas raised up as the next king. The work says no more of him.
Because there is no reference in any source prior to this work to this figure named Pharamond, who is placed prior to Chlodio (that is, before ca. 428), scholars consider him a legendary rather than historical figure. As a matter of fact in several sources, for example Gregory of Tours, multiple kings are attested to rule simultaneously in later times.[citation needed] It is thus a dubious matter to assume that, even if Pharamond existed, he was ever recognized as sole king. The first king of the Franks who may have been close to this position was Clovis I, but after his death his empire was divided again amongst his sons, who ruled again simultaneously.
The myth of Pharamond has led to new legends and romances in later times. In past times this has led to attempts to falsely write Pharamond into Prosper Tiro. Martin Bouquet at a much later date invented an entire history of Pharamond.
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http://www.themorrisclan.com/GENEALOGY/PHARAMOND.html PHARAMOND King of the Franks HUSBAND:- PHARAMOND. (Faramond, Faramund, Faramundus). First King of all the Franks. King of Westphalia. First King of the Merovingians. Born in 370 in Westphalia, Germany; son of MARCOMIR, Duke of the Franks. Pharamond is known as the first King of France after the departure of the Romans from Gaul. He is not mentioned by Roman historians of the 4-5th centuries, or by Gregory of Tours, so most modern historians disregard him as a historical person, but regard him as an invention to establish a dubious dynastic continuity.
The Liber Historiae Francorum, also known as the Gesta regnum Francorum, which is customarily dated to 727 AD, gives a different father for Pharamond. It is noted though that this work is incorrect in other historical datings.
He married (1) Ymbergide (Imberltrude). They did not have children.
He married (2) Argotta in 394 AD.
The story is told of the election of the first Frankish king. It says that after the death of Sunno, Marcomir proposed to the Franks that they should have one single king, contrary to their tradition. The Liber adds that Pharamond, named as Marcomir's son, was chosen as this first king, and then states that when he died, his son Chlodio was raised up as the next king. The work says no more of him.
He was Duke of the East Franks in 404, and then also Duke of the West Franks in 419, and King of Westphalia.
In Prosper of Aquitaine, we read, under the year 417, the twenty-sixth year of Honorius: Faramundus regnat in Francia. (S12).
In several sources, for example Gregory of Tours, who wrote Historia Francorum, multiple kings are attested to rule simultaneously in later times, so it was not always the rule to have only one king over the Franks.
He is believed to have led his people across the Rhine River heading west in 420 AD, separating his people from the Ripuarian Franks settlement near Cologne.
He died in (427-S1)(428-S2)(430-S4,S5).
NOTE: David Hughes makes the following statement, without citing and sources:
The genealogy of the early Frankish kings was confused by medieval clerics who had few sources available to them, but modern scholarship has come along to untangle the mess using multiple sources that have come to be available over the years from discoveries made in the libraries of old monasteries. For example, the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd Frankish kings, namely, Faramond [Pharamond], Chlodio, and Merovech, are NOT father, son, and grandson, as they appear in the traditional genealogy of the Merovingians, but rather each came from entirely different families. Faramond's mother and both of his wives were Frankish princesses. His successor, Chlodio, murdered Faramond's only son upon Faramond's death to clear his own succession. Chlodio's wife, Argotta [aka Siegse], was one of Faramond's two daughters. Argotta brought into the marriage a son, Merovech, from a previous marriage to Quintus Tarus, Prefect of Provence. It was the civil war between Merovech and his half-brother, Cloderic, that was the pretext for the invasion of Gaul by Attila "The Hun". And, the confusion of the parentage of King Clovis "The Great", who was not the son of the Frankish King Childeric I, is due to the fact that the wife of Prince Clovis [King Childeric I's son], namely, Dochilt, married [the future] King Clovis "The Great" upon the premature death of her husband, Prince Clovis [King Childeric I's son], thus, the misidentification of Prince Clovis [King Childeric I's son] with King Clovis "The Great" by medieval clerics is understandable. (S10).
WIFE (1): Ymbergide (Imberltrude). She married Pharamond, King of the Franks. They did not have children.
WIFE (2): ARGOTTA. Queen Of France. (Princess of the SALIC FRANKS, Argotta De Cimbres)(Siegse)). Born in 376; daughter of GENEBALD (Genbald), Duke Of the Franks. Argotta is sometimes listed as the daughter of the King of the Cimbri (Cambray).
CHILDREN of PHARAMOND King of the Franks, and ARGOTTA:
CLODIUS, Long Haired. (Le Chevelu). (Clodius V, King of Westphalia, Clodio, Clodian, Le Chevelu). King of France, King of Cologne. Born (in 395)(about 352). He married Basina of Thuringia. He died in 447 (430)(449). Note that David Hughes (S10) says he was not the son of Pharamond, but the son-in-law. Fredemundus DESPOSYNI. Adalbert (Alberico, Adelbertus). Duke of MOSEL. Born in 405 AD. He died in 491 AD. (Frotmund?). Ancestor of Viviane del Acqs. (S2). She would have been named after her grandmother.
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Pharamond of the Franks of Westph, Possibly a legendary rather than historical figure. Only the later century historicians Prosper Tyron and Dom Bouquet give a report about his reign. In AD 420, he reportedly led his people in crossing the river Rhine and heading west. This movement would effectively separate his tribe from the majority of the Rhinefranks that had settled near Cologne. Pharamond was eventualy succeeded by his son Clodio. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Pharamond, Duke of the East Franks in 404 A. D., was elected King of the West Franks 419, and is reckoned by historians as the first King of France. He married Argotta, who was descended from Heli, first King of the Britons, one of whose descendants had married one of the Kings of France, a daughter Althildis who married Marconier IV, King of France A. D. 128, from whom Argotta was 14th in line. Thus she was 22nd in line from Heli, King of the Britons, and was called the mother of all the Kings of France. (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 353)
PHARAMOND, King of the West Franks,(*) who died 428, married Argotta, daughter of Gunibald, Duke of the West Franks, who died 419, son of Priam, or Dagobert, first Duke of the West Franks under the Romans, who died 389, son of Clodius, King of the West Franks 378. (Fenwick Allied Ancestry, page 58)
...x 1 NAME Pharamond of the /Franks/ 2 SOUR S033320 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jan 17, 2001 1 BIRT 2 DATE BEF. 404 2 SOUR S033320 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jan 17, 2001 1 DEAT 2 DATE 430 2 SOUR S033320 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jan 17, 2001
[De La Pole.FTW] : Duke of East Franks, 404. King of West Franks, 419. King of Westphalia, 430. Died 430. K: Pharamond. Elected King of the West Franks. Established the Salique Law. First King of the Franks. Also King of the Salistian Franks. Died 427-430.
Father: Marcomir Of The Franks Duke Of The East Franks b: ABT 347 in Germania, Inferior, Roman Empire of the West Mother: Hatilde b: ABT 353
Marriage 1 Argotta Of Sciambr Queen Of Franks b: ABT 376 in Thuringia, Germany
Children
Has Children Fredemundus Of The Franks Has No Children Frotmund Of The Franks Has Children Clodion of France King of the Franks b: ABT 395 in Westphalia, Germany
Pharamond var grunnleggeren av Merowinger-dynastiet og var den første Konge over Frankerne
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I see that there is a lot of people that seems to have the truth about genealogi in all aspects of it. This is the reason why I and many others keep a lot private. In the matter of Pharamond and his existence, there are some who says he is fictional at Geni. I do wonder how they can make that argument without backing it up. Because a lot of the statements that are made is taken from nowhere. People are allowed to have opinions about things, but to lock profiles and to stop people from editing them are wrong. If people have any comments to profiles they can send a request to ask for proof of the things that are put out, or they can ignore it. In the archeological excavating in France and Germany in 1986 they found evidence of the existence of Pharamond, they found coins with his name and his title, these coins are dated with modern tecnology and are therefor proven to be from the the time Pharamond is set to been living. Pharamond was the child of Marcomar, who is the ancestor from a tribe called Marcomanners.. They originally came from Greece and fled to France, to Languedoc. That is why the Merowingians were told to be the keepers for Maria Magdalena and her doughter. This is the place that is to be said where Maria Magdalenas doughter arrived from Egypt. Here name was Sara (which means Princess. They were a tribe that lived in France and some moved south in germany up to Cologne,they passed the Rhine and got an area called Marcomanni , to a place which today is called Judenburg in South-East Germany into Austria I see that some are refering to Troy in Greece, but there are also a place called Troy in France, in beetween Paris and Metz a bit south. This is the place where Marcomar after a while came with his men. As he was a warrior he and his men also moved further west to Lutetia (Marcomar named it Paris) and Gallicia, northern Portugal.). Marcomars son Merovech has a legend to his birth, if this is true is hard to tell, but he still was a man who ruled the area after his father Marcomar. Marcomar was the son of Priam which other archological excovatings have confirmed to have been an existing person. Many people put out information that comes from Wikipedia with no scepsis. Wikipedia is ok to start and to get some info, but you have to confirm it from other sources, if it’s not already validated. It seems that some people on Geni are more concerned to have a lot of people to manage than to bee sure that the info is correct. I see that some have over 50 000 people to manage and they have been doing this for 6 or 7 yers. I have about 1400 people together in the trees of my and my fiance. I have been working 6,5 years to get this information accurat and the last 3 months I’ve joined Geni, this may tell you that it takes a lot of effort to get things correct. Everyone can have a large amount of people to manage if they don’t confirm the info. Clovis
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Source:Dutch Wikipedia !
http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p575.htm#i17283
http://www.homeofourfathers.com/lisbeth/royaltyfrancepharamond410426.htm
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=john_d_newport&id=I5206
[http://www.angelfire.com/ego/et_deo/earlyfrankishkings.wps.htm EARLY FRANKISH KINGS & THE MEROVINGIANS}
http://gw.geneanet.org/nobily?lang=fr;pz=elisabeth+therese+marie+helene;nz=de+belgique;ocz=0;p=pharamond;n=de+francie
http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p575.htm#i17283
Given also as Pharamond Der Oost Franken in profiles on his wife Argotte or Arcote van Cimbrië see her about me section
Pharamond (van Tongeren) van Keulen
MyHeritage Family Trees
van Leeuwen - van Zuijlen, managed by Gerard van Leeuwen
Birth: 397 - Westfalen
Death: 427
Parents: Marcomir Van Keulen, Hildegonda Van Keulen (geboren Van Lombardije (Of Frotmund Franks) Frimutel)
Sister: Hildegonde Der Merovingen (geboren Van Keulen)
Wife: Arcote (Van Tongeren) Van Keulen (geboren Van Cimbrië)
Daughter: Elivira Balthes (geboren (Van Tongeren) Van Keulen)
Pharamund Pharamond van Keulen Thoxandrie
MyHeritage Family Trees
Van Cakenbergh Web Site, managed by Hugo Van Cakenbergh
Birth: 364 - Westfalen D
Death: 427
Daughter: Erelieva Der Oostgoten
Pharamond van Keulen
MyHeritage Family Trees
Visschers Web Site, managed by Jan Visschers
Birth: Circa 397 - Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Death: Circa 427 - Bet, Germany
Parents: Marcomir Van Keulen, Frotmund Van Keulen
Sister: Hillegonda Der Franken (geboren Van Keulen)
Wife: Arcote Van Keulen (geboren Van Cimbrië)
Children: Elvira Der Ostrogothen (geboren Van Tongeren (Van Keulen)), Clodius Van Keulen
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