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27 ° Bisabuelo/ Great Grandfather de: Carlos Juan Felipe Antonio Vicente De La Cruz Urdaneta Alamo →Gilbert, avoué de Saint Valéry is your 27th great grandfather.
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Gilbert/Gautier de Saint Valéry, Seigneur de Heugleville MP
Gender: Male
Birth: 977
Saint-Valery-en-Caux, Seine-Maritime, Upper Normandy, France
Death: after 1011
St Valery-En-Caux,Normandy,,France
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Son of Bernard I, avoué de Saint Valéry and Emma de St. Valéry
Husband of Papia de Normandie
Father of Bernard I (II) de Saint-Valéry and Richard de Saint-Valéry, Seigneur de Heugleville
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GILBERT, hijo de --- . Abogado de Saint-Valéry.
m PAPIA, hija ilegítima de Ricardo I Conde [de Normandía] y su amante --- ([1000/05]-).
Guillaume de Jumièges registra que el duque Ricardo tuvo dos hijas de sus concubinas, pero no las nombra[847].
No es seguro que Papia, esposa de Gilbert de Saint-Valéry, fuera hija de Ricardo I.
Orderic Vitalis nombra a su padre "Duque Ricardo", aunque no está claro en el texto a qué duque Ricardo se refiere, y confirma su nombre Papia en un pasaje diferente[848]. El segundo pasaje explica que Papia era hija de "Ricardi iunioris ducis Normannorum".
Algunos autores han tomado esto para referirse al duque Ricardo III, presumiblemente inspirado por Robert de Torigny que nombra "Papiam uxorem Walteri de Sanct Walerico et Aeliz uxorem Ranulfi vicecomitis de Baioeis" como las dos hijas del duque Ricardo III[849]. Esto es, sin embargo, cronológicamente imposible suponiendo que es correcto, como afirma Orderic Vitalis[850], que el nieto de Papia, Richard de Heugleville, ayudó a Guillaume II duque de Normandía en la rebelión de 1054 cuando ya tenía la edad suficiente para que Geoffroy de Neufmarché fuera su yerno.
Ninguno de los pasajes de Orderic Vitalis nombra a la madre de Papia. Es tentador imaginar que ella era la segunda esposa del duque Ricardo II del mismo nombre. Sin embargo, también es cronológicamente inconsistente con las referencias de 1054 al nieto de Papia que Papia haya sido la hija del duque Ricardo II.
Suponiendo que toda esta especulación es correcta, Papia debe haber nacido en los primeros años del siglo 11 y por lo tanto debe haber sido la hija de Ricardo I.
Gilbert y su esposa tuvieron un hijo:
1. BERNARD de Saint-Valéry . Orderic Vitalis lo nombra, da su parentesco y nombra a sus dos hijos[851]. La Chronique de Normandie, basada en le Roman de Rou, nombra "le sire de S. Wallery" entre los que participaron en la conquista de Inglaterra en 1066[852].
m ---. El nombre de la esposa de Bernard no se conoce. Bernard y su esposa tuvieron dos hijos:
a) GAUTHIER de Saint-Valéry . Orderic Vitalis lo nombra a él y a su padre851. Guillermo de Tiro nombra "Walterius de Sancto Valerius Bernardusque filius eius" entre los presentes en la captura de Nikaia en 1097[853].
m ---. El nombre de la esposa de Gauthier no se conoce. Gauthier y su esposa tuvieron un hijo:
i) BERNARD de Saint-Valéry . Guillermo de Tiro nombra "Walterius de Sancto Valerius Bernardusque filius eius" entre los presentes en la captura de Nikaia en 1097[854]. Orderic Vitalis también lo nombra hijo de Gauthier, con quien estuvo presente en la captura de Nikaia en 1097[855].
b) RICHARD de Saint-Valéry . Orderic Vitalis lo nombra a él y a su padre, especificando que "durante muchos años luchó por el duque de Normandía su tío abuelo" que arregló su matrimonio[856]. Orderic también dice que Richard estableció "un municipio en el Scie, en el lugar anteriormente llamado Isneauville, al que llamó Auffay". Apoyó a Guillermo II duque de Normandía contra la rebelión de Guillermo de Arques en [1054] [857].
m como su segundo marido, ADA, viuda de HERLUIN de Heugleville, hija de ---. Ella es nombrada esposa de Richard por Orderic Vitalis, quien también nombra a su padre857. Richard y su esposa tuvieron dos hijos:
i) GILBERT d'Auffay . Es nombrado como hijo de Ricardo por Orderic Vitalis, quien también nombra a su esposa, suegro y sus tres hijos[858].
ii) ADA de Heugleville. Ella es nombrada como hija de Ricardo por Orderic Vitalis, quien también nombra a su marido que ayudó a su suegro durante la rebelión de Guillaume d'Arques[859].
m (antes de 1054) GEOFFROY de Neufmarché, hijo de THURKILL de Neufmarché y su esposa ---.
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GILBERT, son of --- . Avocat de Saint-Valéry .
m PAPIA, illegitimate daughter of RICHARD I Comte [de Normandie] & his mistress --- ([1000/05]-).
Guillaume de Jumièges records that Duke Richard had two daughters by his concubines but does not name them[847].
It is not certain that Papia, wife of Gilbert de Saint-Valéry, was the daughter of Richard I.
Orderic Vitalis names her father "Duke Richard", although it is not clear from the text to which duke Richard he refers, and confirms her name Papia in a different passage[848]. The second passage elaborates that Papia was daughter of "Ricardi iunioris ducis Normannorum".
Some authors have taken this to refer to Duke Richard III, presumably inspired by Robert de Torigny who names "Papiam uxorem Walteri de Sanct Walerico et Aeliz uxorem Ranulfi vicecomitis de Baioeis" as the two daughters of Duke Richard III[849]. This is, however, chronologically impossible assuming that it is correct, as asserted by Orderic Vitalis[850], that Papia's grandson, Richard de Heugleville, helped Guillaume II Duke of Normandy in the 1054 rebellion when he was already old enough for Geoffroy de Neufmarché to be his son-in-law.
Neither of the passages in Orderic Vitalis names Papia's mother. It is tempting to imagine that she was Duke Richard II's second wife of the same name. However, it is also chronologically inconsistent with the 1054 references to Papia's grandson for Papia to have been the daughter of duke Richard II
Assuming that all this speculation is correct, Papia must have been born in the early years of the 11th century and therefore she must have been the daughter of Richard I.
Gilbert & his wife had one child:
1. BERNARD de Saint-Valéry . Orderic Vitalis names him, gives his parentage, and names his two sons[851]. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, names "le sire de S. Wallery" among those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[852].
m ---. The name of Bernard's wife is not known. Bernard & his wife had two children:
a) GAUTHIER de Saint-Valéry . Orderic Vitalis names him and his father851. William of Tyre names "Walterius de Sancto Valerius Bernardusque filius eius" among those present at the capture of Nikaia in 1097[853].
m ---. The name of Gauthier's wife is not known. Gauthier & his wife had one child:
i) BERNARD de Saint-Valéry . William of Tyre names "Walterius de Sancto Valerius Bernardusque filius eius" among those present at the capture of Nikaia in 1097[854]. Orderic Vitalis also names him as son of Gauthier, with whom he was present at the capture of Nikaia in 1097[855].
b) RICHARD de Saint-Valéry . Orderic Vitalis names him and his father, specifying that he "for many years fought for the duke of Normandy his great uncle" who arranged his marriage[856]. Orderic also says that Richard established "a borough on the Scie, in the place formerly called Isneauville, which he named Auffay". He supported Guillaume II Duke of Normandy against the rebellion of Guillaume d'Arques in [1054][857].
m as her second husband, ADA, widow of HERLUIN de Heugleville, daughter of ---. She is named wife of Richard by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her father857. Richard & his wife had two children:
i) GILBERT d'Auffay . He is named as son of Richard by Orderic Vitalis, who also names his wife, father-in-law, and their three children[858].
ii) ADA de Heugleville . She is named as daughter of Richard by Orderic Vitalis, who also names her husband who helped his father-in-law during the rebellion of Guillaume d'Arques[859].
m (before 1054) GEOFFROY de Neufmarché, son of THURKILL de Neufmarché & his wife ---.
Advocate of Saint-Valery Gilbert de St. Valéry died after 1011.
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